Re: PM, MAX, or USR

Michael Whisenant ( )
Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:57:48 -0600

>As far as the x2 testing in another post...I cannot, in any way, agree with
>you. Our Cisco gets more upper connection speeds than our Ascend. You
>aren't running it in a controlled environment if it is in production? I'm
>sorry to say that connect speed is hardly a valid indication of throughput,
>which is the only true speed of a connection; one can buy a 1.544mbps T1
>but only use 384K, so how do they prove they have a 1.544mbps line? "But my
>connect speeds says 1.544mbps, that is what it is!"
I did not say production. I have been provided, from my CLEC 2 PRIs that
are not production, or in any way part of the normal hunt sequence. I can
setup a very good lab environment and I have indeed written evaluations for
magazines such as PCWEEK and Internet Week. My test results on the Cisco
were on a fairly early product, as were my results with Ascend and
Livingston. At the time compared to USR they fell short. Again as we have
discussed on this list it is somewhat regionalized. If the interoffice
trunks in your area are all of the same encoding, then results may vary.
You can ask, but the telco will generally NOT report to you how the offices
interconnect and what encoding methods are used. I am fortunate in that
BellSouth generally test new products in our coverage area, they are a
competing ISP, and they consult other ISPs and provide testing with other
ISPs. Just like the current xDSL trials in Birmingham. I selected not to
participate in that trial, rather decided to deploy using USR equipment.

>All that said does not mean I completely disagree with you, but someone has
>to argue and supply the "other" side of the story. It is really ashame,
>though, you feel that way about independent contractors. I was/could be
>again one myself and happened to please many clients that are still
>operating. But, to each their own; I think with all of this argumentative
>information he will be able to make the right decision.
Good point. I did not mean the thought was totally foolish, rather on
that one point, I disagree. And as you stated above, argue the "other" side.

>At 06:27 PM 3/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>ARG!!!! Did I really here (see) someone suggest that an independant
>>contractor try to evaluate the needs of an ISP? Gad zukes!!! Man
>>eventhough we had many of the same thoughts, different products, I was with
>>you until that one. His best option would be to really think of the
>>questions, define his short term and long term needs, then contact the
>>vendors of each, ask them for why their products would be better than the
>>competition. Then listen to how the vendor will try and impose their own
>>bias into the equation. The remember any ISP can be successful with any
>>product. The key is relationship. Get to know the vendor, I would almost
>>recommend bypassing the VAR, as they sell what gives them the most $$.
>> With the few number of ports you may not get vendors to send you equipment
>>on trial, but I can get almost any equipment for 60 day trial. I can then
>>evaluate them head to head and based on what I like and dislike make a
>>decision. I would recommend also since you are going to have limited
>>experience to get a support contract. With the USR they will actually come
>>onsite and install, plus provision it with the telco. (I know not much to

>>provision, but still for the novice getting this attention for NO
>>additional cost is hard to match!!!!)
>>>companies deal with different products. Whether they started with them or
>>>someone suggested them, it doesn't matter. My only suggestion is to
>>>evaluate (exactly as Michael has stated) your needs for the network and
>>>look to the future. If you don't feel qualified (you have questions about
>>>products), then I would have someone PERSONALLY come in from an independent
>>>contractor and advise you on what is the best solution for your individual
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