[NTISP Digest]

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Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:00:46 -0700

Message 1: NT Drive Mirroring
from "WINNT" <winnt@hotline.net.au>

Message 2: Re: NT Drive Mirroring
from mwagers@teamhuber.com

Message 3: newbies ISP setup
from Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>

Message 4: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)
from Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>

Message 5: 95 problem
from "Martin" <djmartin@dcdu.com>

Message 6: RE: 95 problem
from "Dirk Melvin" <dirk@1starnet.com>

Message 7: Re: 95 problem
from Brent Sheppard <brent@webmetrics.com>

Message 8: Re: 95 problem
from "Kevin Ingram" <kingram@cameron.net>

Message 9: RE: 95 problem
from "Paul T Laudenslager" <ptl@monumental.com>

Message 10: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)
from "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>

Message 11: SQL datatype question
from "Josh Hillman" <admin-maillist@talstar.com>

Message 12: RE: SQL datatype question
from ken french <frenchkc@gru.net>

Message 13: Re: SQL datatype question
from "Dale E. Reed Jr." <daler@iea-software.com>

Message 14: RE: Blocking Software (Server side)
from ronnie@itexas.net (Ronnie D. Franklin)

Message 15: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)
from "Adam Breaux" <adam@idomains.net>

Message 16: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)
from "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>

Message 17: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)
from mwagers@teamhuber.com

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Subject: NT Drive Mirroring
From: "WINNT" <winnt@hotline.net.au>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:12:52 +1000

Hello List,

I have a NT4SP3 server with 2x 4.5Gb UW SCSI drives.
I want to mirror the drives using NTdisk admin and NTFS.
I created a 1Gb(1024MB) NT partition for the system and then a 3.5Gb DATA
partition.
I then tried to create a mirror and the NT partition on the second drive
after the mirror went to 1028Mb.
This has now made it impossible to mirror the DATA as the size of the second
drive is smaller than the first.
I had another server setup EXACTLY the same way and I hads no problem with
the mirroring of both drives.
The second server had the same hardware brands for everything.

Why is this so
Please help

Malcolm Joosse
Technical Director
Hotline Support Pty. Ltd. " Our Service is your Support "
malcolm@hotline.net.au
www.hotline.net.au

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Subject: Re: NT Drive Mirroring
From: mwagers@teamhuber.com
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:31:51 -0500

A mirror is exactly the same size as the master except for some allocation
bytes that are required during the mirror phase. I'm a bit confused how
you want to mirror the information?

NT System Partition (disk0) -> Partition (disk1)
Data Partition (disk1) -> Data Partition (disk0)

Is this correct?

Regards,
Mitch Wagers
Systems Engineer - Huber & Associates, Inc.
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer

Please respond to ntisp@iea-software.com

To: winnt-inet@net-shopper.co.uk, "NTISP" <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
cc: (bcc: Mitch Wagers/Huber & Associates)
Subject: NT Drive Mirroring

Hello List,

I have a NT4SP3 server with 2x 4.5Gb UW SCSI drives.
I want to mirror the drives using NTdisk admin and NTFS.
I created a 1Gb(1024MB) NT partition for the system and then a 3.5Gb DATA
partition.
I then tried to create a mirror and the NT partition on the second drive
after the mirror went to 1028Mb.
This has now made it impossible to mirror the DATA as the size of the
second
drive is smaller than the first.
I had another server setup EXACTLY the same way and I hads no problem with
the mirroring of both drives.
The second server had the same hardware brands for everything.

Why is this so
Please help

Malcolm Joosse
Technical Director
Hotline Support Pty. Ltd. " Our Service is your Support "
malcolm@hotline.net.au
www.hotline.net.au

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Subject: newbies ISP setup
From: Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:06:21 +0800

Dear All

We hope to start up an ISP business with about 50 lines and running of a
128K upstream.
Can any kind soul pls recommend equipments and softwares.?
We will be providing the standard Internet access and also Internet telephony.

a.) dial-up access equipment
b.) servers
c.) billing or management softwares
d.) routers (we are thinking of using DLink as the price is very cheap)
e.) any other equipments we might need.

Thank you
Kenzie

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Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)
From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:03:02 -0700

We are using Xstop's hardware/software combination. They call it the R3
(www.xstop.com) It's a great solution if you're planning on being serious
about filtering. It also provides no way to get around it so children and
computer savvy teenagers can't turn it off. There's also no settings to
change on the client side.

Preston

At 12:14 AM 8/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I am looking for software to provide blocking services to my customers...
>
>Anyone have something they are using and are satisified with????
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ronnie
>
________________________________________________________
Preston Korn Jay Creek Productions
preston@jaycreek.com http://www.jaycreek.com
4401 E. Butler Ave. Flagstaff, AZ 86004
520-526-5069
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Multimedia and Internet Development
Management and Consultation
"When you want to do it right the first time."

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Subject: 95 problem
From: "Martin" <djmartin@dcdu.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:26:37 -0400

Has anyone ever seen this message upon boot up on a 95 box?

------------------------------------------------------------------
Starting windows 95.....

Type the name of the command interpretor
(e.g., c:\windows\command.com)
------------------------------------------------------------------

The customer keeps typing in that path and it keeps prompting for the=
command interpretor.

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Subject: RE: 95 problem
From: "Dirk Melvin" <dirk@1starnet.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:35:20 -0500

command.com is corrupt in some way.
check for viruses!

-----Original Message-----
From: ntisp-request@iea-software.com
[mailto:ntisp-request@iea-software.com]On Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 10:27 AM
To: ntisp@iea-software.com
Subject: 95 problem

Has anyone ever seen this message upon boot up on a 95 box?

------------------------------------------------------------------
Starting windows 95.....

Type the name of the command interpretor
(e.g., c:\windows\command.com)
------------------------------------------------------------------

The customer keeps typing in that path and it keeps prompting for the
command interpretor.

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Subject: Re: 95 problem
From: Brent Sheppard <brent@webmetrics.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:41:03 -0500

check your autoexec.bat . You probably have the shell command set to a wrong directory or
......

I have had to reload windows to fix this problem...

Brent

Martin wrote:

> Has anyone ever seen this message upon boot up on a 95 box?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Starting windows 95......
>
> Type the name of the command interpretor
> (e.g., c:\windows\command.com)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The customer keeps typing in that path and it keeps prompting for the command interpretor..

--****************************************************************************Brent L. Sheppard  Email: Brent@Webmetrics.comSheppard Consulting, Inc.1346 Lincolnway East   www: http://www.Webmetrics.comSouth Bend, IN 46613   OR(219) 287-9938   www: http://www.Sheppard-Consulting.com****************************************************************************

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 8 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: 95 problemFrom: "Kevin Ingram" <kingram@cameron.net>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:10:46 -0500

command.com has either become corrupted or been deleted. (Probably a veryTALENTED user who decided to clean up some unneeded files). Boot from awindows95 boot disk and see if the \windows\command folder is even there, ifso copy command.com into from the boot disk.

If the file is there run scandisk and virus check.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----From: Martin <djmartin@dcdu.com>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 10:30 AMSubject: 95 problem

Has anyone ever seen this message upon boot up on a 95 box?

------------------------------------------------------------------Starting windows 95.....

Type the name of the command interpretor(e.g., c:\windows\command.com)------------------------------------------------------------------

The customer keeps typing in that path and it keeps prompting for thecommand interpretor.

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 9 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: 95 problemFrom: "Paul T Laudenslager" <ptl@monumental.com>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:25:02 -0400

Hi Martin,

Personally, I would boot from the boot disk as well, but instead of justcopying command.com, go ahead and do

a:\> sys c:

That should make it bootable again.

-----Original Message-----From: ntisp-request@iea-software.com[mailto:ntisp-request@iea-software.com]On Behalf Of MartinSent: Friday, August 14, 1998 11:27 AMTo: ntisp@iea-software.comSubject: 95 problem

Has anyone ever seen this message upon boot up on a 95 box?

------------------------------------------------------------------Starting windows 95.....

Type the name of the command interpretor(e.g., c:\windows\command.com)------------------------------------------------------------------

The customer keeps typing in that path and it keeps prompting for thecommand interpretor.

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 10 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)From: "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:25:55 -0500

Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)

>We are using Xstop's hardware/software combination. They call it the R3>(www.xstop.com) It's a great solution if you're planning on being serious>about filtering. It also provides no way to get around it so children and>computer savvy teenagers can't turn it off. There's also no settings to>change on the client side.>>Preston

I have looked into this but the $2500 server seemed to be an impediment andthe $250/month for up to 100 users and then $800/month for up to 500 userswas a bit steep for me.

All the programs: (xstop, websense, n2h2, etc) involve a server on yoursite. Websense doesn't require the purchase of a box, just an NT serverprogram that is the proxy on your network. It gets the downloads from thewebsense link up the network.

All have costs of $1.5-$2.00 per person per month. XStop is primarilyoriented to porn, by their ad, Websense allows individuals to setup thepriority for several family members via a web interface, n2h2 seems prettymuch stock in what you get.

I don't know which is the best filtering method but I know it is a product Iwant to offer.

David PayerOMNI Internet

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 11 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: SQL datatype questionFrom: "Josh Hillman" <admin-maillist@talstar.com>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:43:13 -0400

Are there any benefits to using the MSSQL datatype of "CHAR" over"varCHAR"? From what I read in my book here, varCHAR is the same as CHARexcept it uses potentially less memory because it doesn't tack on spaces tothe end of data that does not fill the column size. So, the column width(data length) of the two following sets would be the same, but varCHAR datacould take up less memory: CHAR(20) varCHAR(20)If CHAR has no advantages over varCHAR, then why would it exist?

Josh Hillmanhillman@talstar.com

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 12 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: SQL datatype questionFrom: ken french <frenchkc@gru.net>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:21:14 -0400

I assume Compatibility.

-----Original Message-----From: Josh Hillman [SMTP:admin-maillist@talstar.com]Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 12:43 PMTo: ntisp@iea-software.comSubject: SQL datatype question

Are there any benefits to using the MSSQL datatype of "CHAR" over"varCHAR"? From what I read in my book here, varCHAR is the same as CHARexcept it uses potentially less memory because it doesn't tack on spaces tothe end of data that does not fill the column size. So, the column width(data length) of the two following sets would be the same, but varCHAR datacould take up less memory: CHAR(20) varCHAR(20)If CHAR has no advantages over varCHAR, then why would it exist?

Josh Hillmanhillman@talstar.com

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 13 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: SQL datatype questionFrom: "Dale E. Reed Jr." <daler@iea-software.com>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:36:17 -0700

Josh Hillman wrote:> > Are there any benefits to using the MSSQL datatype of "CHAR" over> "varCHAR"? From what I read in my book here, varCHAR is the same as CHAR> except it uses potentially less memory because it doesn't tack on spaces to> the end of data that does not fill the column size. So, the column width> (data length) of the two following sets would be the same, but varCHAR data> could take up less memory:> CHAR(20)> varCHAR(20)> If CHAR has no advantages over varCHAR, then why would it exist?

char is right padded with spaces to the size of the string. Handyfor displaying data in columner format.

varchar is a variable length char that is NOT padded.

AFAIK, they both take up the same amount of space in the database,however, varchar will return less data over the wire on queries(char returns all those spaces in the pad). Char is the old way ofdoing things from the old SQL Days.

-- Dale E. Reed Jr.  (daler@iea-software.com)_________________________________________________________________       IEA Software, Inc.      |  RadiusNT, Emerald, and NT FAQs Internet Solutions for Today  |   http://www.iea-software.com

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 14 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: Blocking Software (Server side)From: ronnie@itexas.net (Ronnie D. Franklin)Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:42:28 -0500

Thanks for the input/info...

I really would like to have something like Livingston's ChoiceNet, but I am not using PMs except for a few analog lines....

I have a University that we will be providing service for and they would like us to provide some form of blocking on the student accounts... so the product needs to be a server side product... otherwise, the student would just change his setup!!

The product has to be applied like a filter on my end.. that way I can selectivily apply it.

Yes.. the $1-$2 dollars a month is getting a little steep...

Thanks again.. and I am still looking!!

Thanks,

Ronnie

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 15 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)From: "Adam Breaux" <adam@idomains.net>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:00:12 -0400

Unique difference between NT and Unix....most of the software we are looking foris public domain/freeware for Unix but NT versions are exhorbetently priced. Isee that as the single most significant issue for NT servers on the Net. Theresimply is no parallel.

-----Original Message-----From: Ronnie D. Franklin <ronnie@itexas.net>To: 'ntisp@iea-software.com' <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:43 PMSubject: RE: Blocking Software (Server side)

Thanks for the input/info...

I really would like to have something like Livingston's ChoiceNet, but I amnot using PMs except for a few analog lines....

I have a University that we will be providing service for and they wouldlike us to provide some form of blocking on the student accounts... so theproduct needs to be a server side product... otherwise, the student wouldjust change his setup!!

The product has to be applied like a filter on my end.. that way I canselectivily apply it.

Yes.. the $1-$2 dollars a month is getting a little steep...

Thanks again.. and I am still looking!!

Thanks,

Ronnie

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 16 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)From: "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:15:07 -0500

> Unique difference between NT and Unix....most of the software we arelooking for> is public domain/freeware for Unix but NT versions are exhorbetentlypriced. I> see that as the single most significant issue for NT servers on the Net.There> simply is no parallel.>

One big distinction. Most of the NT packages are just that: finishedpackages that you can use with a variety of networks. You can set up a UNIXserver that will packet filter, then you simply have to find the list of200,000 sites that you want to ban.

I expect to pay for services but am to somewhat chagrinned at the costs.Regarding $1-$2 / person / month.... that is what I would like to be makingif I made such software.

David Payer

..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 17 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)From: mwagers@teamhuber.comDate: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:16:14 -0500

And gee, most of what Unix does not include is included with NT FREE...muchof the same functionality if you know how to implement it.

"Adam Breaux" <adam@idomains.net> on 08/14/98 02:00:12 PM

Please respond to ntisp@iea-software.com

To: ntisp@iea-software.comcc: (bcc: Mitch Wagers/Huber & Associates)Subject: Re: Blocking Software (Server side)

Unique difference between NT and Unix....most of the software we arelooking foris public domain/freeware for Unix but NT versions are exhorbetentlypriced. Isee that as the single most significant issue for NT servers on the Net.Theresimply is no parallel.

-----Original Message-----From: Ronnie D. Franklin <ronnie@itexas.net>To: 'ntisp@iea-software.com' <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 1:43 PMSubject: RE: Blocking Software (Server side)

Thanks for the input/info...

I really would like to have something like Livingston's ChoiceNet, but I amnot using PMs except for a few analog lines....

I have a University that we will be providing service for and they wouldlike us to provide some form of blocking on the student accounts... so theproduct needs to be a server side product... otherwise, the student wouldjust change his setup!!

The product has to be applied like a filter on my end.. that way I canselectivily apply it.

Yes.. the $1-$2 dollars a month is getting a little steep...

Thanks again.. and I am still looking!!

Thanks,

Ronnie