Re: Multi-link card

Kevin Ingram ( (no email) )
Sat, 9 May 1998 18:27:51 -0500

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I agree completely. While I have used less expensive IDE hard drives, =
for best performance on a heavily loaded machine a good SCSI would be =
necessary. But for a cheap, small remote POP a slow drive is fine.

The only reason I recommend RRAS over RAS is that if you have RAS on one =
NT server, and connect THAT server into the RAS port of another NT =
server, and connect THAT server into another router, it will not route =
properly (wasted MANY man hours finding that out, which MS later =
confirmed. bummer.)

Kevin Ingram
Access Online Staff support@cameron.net
http://www.cameron.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waldron <dan@diversified.com.au>
To: ntisp@emerald.iea.com <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-link card
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I run a 24 line system purely with Digi C/X concentrators on a P233 =
with 128Mb RAM. My CPU utilisation is usually under 5% even whilst teh =
machien is running IIS 3 hostign about 15 domains, mail server etc etc =
as well as our office file serving needs. It works a charm. Haven't even =
bothered to get around to RRAS yet, why bother when everything works OK? =
I can keep adding concentrators up to 96 modems per C/X card, and then =
start adding multiple cards to 192 modems. I still haven't found a good =
reason why I need a router when throwing a similar amount of ca$h at a =
PC gives me a very scalable and upgardeable solution.
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I think the trick is a good HD controller (I'm using a 2940U2W) and =
good multiport cards that take the load off the CPU.
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My two cents worth!
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Rgds
Dan
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Dan Waldron
Diversified Data
dan@diversified.com.au
http://www.diversified.com.au
Ph: 0417-659-828 (+61-417-659-828)
Fx: 02-9832-0951 (+61-2-9832-0951)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Ingram <kingram@cameron.net>
To: ntisp@emerald.iea.com <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
Date: Sunday, 10 May 1998 4:09
Subject: Re: Multi-link card
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I have had good success using RRAS as a low cost, no frills =
solution. The
most I currently run on one NT box is 16 ports, but I have =
several small
remote servers set up this way, and I will be testing a 32 port =
box in the
near future to see how well it works out. I use the older =
RadiusNT (v1.60 I
think) and I pull my accounting records from the Access database =
in Radius.
I don't need any of the other features other than authentication =
and on/off
accounting so it works fine for me.
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Part of the attraction for me is that we are also a PC builder, =
so having
spare NT boxes isn't a problem. I have run an 8 port system on =
as little as
a P90 with 32M RAM and a 340 IDE HD, hardly an expense at all. =
The only
software loaded on that box was NT40SP3, RRAS, RadiusNT and =
drivers for the
multiport card. (I used a cyclades Y series ISA with cable). =
With the cost
of hardware constantly coming down, its easy to put in a P233 =
64M RAM 2G

EIDE HD in a server with a 16 port PCI card and NIC, and it =
flies.
=20
I don't know about 32 or more ports yet, but I would think that =
with enough
motherboard speed and RAM it would work fine.
=20
I will know more in the next 30 days, as I have some servers =
that will be up
to 32 ports by then.
=20
Kevin Ingram
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas C Kinnen <tkinnen@usacomputers.net>
To: ntisp@emerald.iea.com <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-link card
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>>I have a total of 52 lines coming into NT RRAS servers =
authenticating from
>>RadiusNT with no problems, if you don't need the extra =
accounting and
>>features of devices like PM's. All our multiport cards are =
currently
>>Cyclades, we use some ISA and some PCI versions of their =
Y-series with
>>standard analog modems.
>
>
>If you don't mind me asking have you been pleased with the =
features and
>performance of RAS and what type of system are you running the =
lines off
of?
>Most of my "encounters" with RAS have not been the most =
pleasant if going
>for any advanced features other then just straight dial in. =
Plus the over
>head an NT box vs. an access concentrator box like a PM has =
lead me to
>recommend customers away from RAS or Netware connect (On the =
novell side)
>for larger network access points. I'd like to get a someone's =
view point
>who uses RAS in larger the a dozen lines and is happy with it.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
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I agree completely. While I have =used less=20expensive IDE hard drives, for best performance on a heavily loaded =machine a=20good SCSI would be necessary. But for a cheap, small remote POP a slow =drive is=20fine.
 
The only reason I recommend RRAS =over RAS is=20that if you have RAS on one NT server, and connect THAT server into the =RAS port=20of another NT server, and connect THAT server into another router, it =will not=20route properly (wasted MANY man hours finding that out, which MS later=20confirmed. bummer.)
 
Kevin Ingram
Access Online =Staff  support@cameron.net
http://www.cameron.net
-----Original =Message-----
From:=20 Dan Waldron <dan@diversified.com.au>
=To:=20 ntisp@emerald.iea.com <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
Date:=20 Saturday, May 09, 1998 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-link = card

I run a 24 line system purely =with Digi C/X=20 concentrators on a P233 with 128Mb RAM. My CPU utilisation is =usually under=20 5% even whilst teh machien is running IIS 3 hostign about 15 =domains, mail=20 server etc etc as well as our office file serving needs. It works a =charm.=20 Haven't even bothered to get around to RRAS yet, why bother when =everything=20 works OK? I can keep adding concentrators up to 96 modems per C/X =card, and=20 then start adding multiple cards to 192 modems. I still haven't =found a good=20 reason why I need a router when throwing a similar amount of ca$h at =a PC=20 gives me a very scalable and upgardeable solution.
 
I think the trick is a good HD controller (I'm =using a=20 2940U2W) and good multiport cards that take the load off the=20 CPU.
 
My two cents worth!
 
Rgds
Dan
 

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Dan=20 Waldron
Diversified Data
dan@diversified.com.au
http://www.diversified.com.au<=BR>Ph:=20 0417-659-828 (+61-417-659-828)
Fx: 02-9832-0951=20 (+61-2-9832-0951)
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Kevin Ingram <kingram@cameron.net>
To:==20 ntisp@emerald.iea.com=20 <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
Date:=20 Sunday, 10 May 1998 4:09
Subject: Re: Multi-link=20 card

I have had good success using RRAS as a =low=20 cost, no frills solution. The
most I currently run on one NT =box is=20 16 ports, but I have several small
remote servers set up this =way,=20 and I will be testing a 32 port box in the
near future to see =how=20 well it works out. I use the older RadiusNT (v1.60 I
think) =and I=20 pull my accounting records from the Access database in =Radius.
I=20 don't need any of the other features other than authentication =and=20 on/off
accounting so it works fine for me.

Part of the = attraction for me is that we are also a PC builder, so =having
spare=20 NT boxes isn't a problem. I have run an 8 port system on as =little=20 as
a P90 with 32M RAM and a 340 IDE HD, hardly an expense at =all. The=20 only
software loaded on that box was NT40SP3, RRAS, RadiusNT =and=20 drivers for the
multiport card. (I used a cyclades Y series =ISA with=20 cable). With the cost
of hardware constantly coming down, its =easy to=20 put in a P233 64M RAM 2G
EIDE HD in a server with a 16 port =PCI card=20 and NIC, and it flies.

I don't know about 32 or more =ports yet,=20 but I would think that with enough
motherboard speed and RAM =it would=20 work fine.

I will know more in the next 30 days, as I =have some=20 servers that will be up
to 32 ports by then.

Kevin=20 Ingram
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas C Kinnen =<tkinnen@usacomputers.net>=
To:=20 ntisp@emerald.iea.com <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>
Da=te:=20 Saturday, May 09, 1998 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-link=20 card


>>I have a total of 52 lines coming into =NT RRAS=20 servers authenticating from
>>RadiusNT with no =problems, if you=20 don't need the extra accounting and
>>features of =devices like=20 PM's. All our multiport cards are currently
>>Cyclades, =we use=20 some ISA and some PCI versions of their Y-series=20 with
>>standard analog =modems.
>
>
>If you=20 don't mind me asking have you been pleased with the features=20 and
>performance of RAS and what type of system are you =running=20 the lines off
of?
>Most of my "encounters" =with RAS=20 have not been the most pleasant if going
>for any advanced = features other then just straight dial in.  Plus the=20 over
>head an NT box vs. an access concentrator box like a =PM has=20 lead me to
>recommend customers away from RAS or Netware =connect=20 (On the novell side)
>for larger network access =points.  I'd=20 like to get a someone's view point
>who uses RAS in larger =the a=20 dozen lines and is happy with=20 =it.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
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