RE: Netscape vs. Internet Explorer Comparison trials

Mitch Wagers ( mwagers@ocsnet.net )
Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:19:26 -0800

My sentiments precisely.

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From: rkm
Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:06 AM
To: 'ntisp@emerald.iea.com'
Subject: RE: Netscape vs. Internet Explorer Comparison trials

This comment reflects your obvious ignorance. Java and other "sandbox"
based languages are terribly limited in what they can access on a local
client hard drive and are therefore very limited in what they can do.
ActiveX (previously OLE) is an incredibly powerful croos platform
cross-application method of implementation that will be around long after
netscape has gone away. Netscape's failure to implement the OBJECT tag as
specified by the WWW consortium is the issue I was talking about, which has
nothing to do with bloat, performance, or "application suites". It has to
do with how HTML is coded.

The netshow player handles real audio feeds as a stand alone application
without any suites or add ons. Before you post something sounding so
authoritarian get your facts straight. You don't even know what you are
talking about.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory W. Bondy [SMTP:gbondy@MAELSTROM.NET]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 9:49 PM
To: ntisp@emerald.iea.com
Subject: RE: Netscape vs. Internet Explorer Comparison trials

I'm at the moment listening to the live stadium feed using realaudio.
Better sound quality and it doesn't require a CPU gagging, HD-hogging
"suite" of "multimedia applets". ActiveX is the poor-man's Win32-ised
java-lite. Anything it can do, other applications or languages can do
better, faster, and more portably.

It looks to me that if M$ can't handle the Justice Department very soon
they will be dead.

;)

At 08:12 PM 1/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>One of the browser things we are comparing is streaming audio and video..
right now I am listening to the live superbowl stadium feed using the NT
netshow player on an NT box with p133 32mb ram while watching the TV video
feed and it is impressing the hell out of me!
>
>It looks to us that if Netscape can't handle activeX very soon they will
be dead.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chilton [SMTP:chilton@trag.com]
>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 3:46 PM
>To: ntisp@emerald.iea.com; inet-access@earth.com
>Subject: Netscape vs. Internet Explorer Comparison trials
>
>Ok, I've had it with the pathetic browser comparison pages. I'm doing my
>own. But I need your help!
>
>What aspects should I compare? Here are the ones I have schemed up so
>far. Please let me know if there are other aspects that I have missed,
>that are important to you, and for that matter, your users.
>
>Aspects:
>
>Java compatability
>Memory requirements
>Hard drive space requirements
>Minimum system requirements
>Reliance on TSRs, Extensions, Inits, and other system level software
>Speed at loading a page of text
>Speed at loading a page of tables and text
>Speed at loading a graphically intense page
>Speed at loading a page with frames, tables, text, and lots of graphics
>
>Did I miss one? Several? Let me know and this week I'll host a massive
>test to find out who is the true winner, or at least what each one is
>better at.
>
>-Chilton Webb
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