Re: [Emerald] Consolidation

Burl Smith ( (no email) )
Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:11:54 -0600

SQL starts fine and runs fine except when I hit the Charges Button

----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Hillman" <admin-maillist@talstar.com>
To: <emerald@iea-software.com>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 15:20
Subject: Re: [Emerald] Consolidation

> If you end up allocating too much memory and SQL 6.5 won't start back up,
> see:
>
> Changing Configuration Values When SQL Server Won't Start
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q173/0/90.asp
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Woods <jwoods@deltacomm.com>
> To: <emerald@iea-software.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emerald] Consolidation
>
>
> > The next biggest thing you can do is give SQL *much* more memory.
> >
> > This applies to SQL 6.5 ONLY, and may differ under SQL 7.0, which I've
> > never run. DO NOT DO THIS for SQL 7.0 unless you REALLY, REALLY know
what
> > you're doing!
> >
> > First, know for CERTAIN how much RAM is physically in the machine. If
> > you're not sure, CHECK under Admin | NT Diagnostics. Note this number,
> in
> > MEGS.
> >
> > 1. Open SQL Enterprise Manager
> > 2. Double-click on the server name to establish a connection.
> > 3. RIGHT click on the server name, and go down to configure.
> > 4. Click on the configuration tab.
> > 5. Find the line that says MEMORY
> >
> > You will want to update the column "Current" in the row "Memory".
> >
> > Do *NOT* do this if you are unsure of what you're doing, or of the math
> I'm
> > about to list. If you allocate TOO much RAM to SQL, you may not be able
> to
> > even boot the system without major effort.
> >
> > Take the total number of MEGS in your physical system, and SUBTRACT *at
> > least* 32 megs, PLUS enough RAM for anything else you may run on that
> > machine. (Use TASK MANAGER to find out how much RAM you may need to
> > reserve, which should be enough for NT, plus any other applications,
plus
> > about 16 MB *more* than that as a cushion, or other caching). When in
> > doubt, subtract out enough reserve RAM that you are CERTAIN it will
never
> > be exhausted.
> >
> > What you are about to do is give ALL of the remaining RAM exclusively to
> > SQL. Thus, if the machine has 192 MB, and you subtract out 64 MB of RAM
> as
> > reserve, you're going to give SQL 128 MB of RAM for exclusive use, and
the
> > machine will effectively have *ONLY* 64 MB of RAM for NT and other
apps --
> > SQL will take the 128 MB you give it and won't let go of it.
> >
> > So, let's say you've come up with a number of 128 MB that you're goingt
o
> > give exclusively to SQL. How do you calculate what to put in the MEMORY
> > row where we're looking? Easy. Multiply by 512.
> >
> > 128 MB of RAM times 512 = 65536. You'd place "65536" here, click OK,
and
> > then reboot. This number will NOT take effect until you restart SQL.
> >
> > Before you change this number, note where the default is set. I BELIEVE
> it
> > is set to 8192, or 16 MB of RAM. (I may be wrong, it may be 32 MB, or
> > 16384). In any case, the default isn't NEAR enough for even a lightly
> > loaded calls table -- the complete Emerald DB (of which CALLS is the
> > largest, by far) ought to fit with plenty of room to spare in the
> > reserved-for-SQL memory space.
> >
> > Again, if unsure, don't give TOO much to SQL, or you might not have
enough
> > to load the kernel and other apps you need. But you ought to give it
more
> > than the default amount that SQL starts off with. SQL server likes
> > RAM. If you only have 64 MB of RAM in your SQL server, consider
upgrading
> > to at least 192 MB (which means you should be able to give 128 MB solely
> to
> > SQL).
> >
> > Giving this RAM to SQL, plus keeping the Calls table trim, will keep
your
> > SQL server humming quickly.
> >
> > The test as to whether you need to increase RAM or decrease the size of
> > Calls by trimming is this:
> >
> > In Emerald, open a user (any user you know has logged on recently).
> > Click on Services
> > Double-click any login service to open it.
> > Click on the "Time On" tab
> > Put in a date range in which you KNOW this user logged on
> > Click UPDATE
> >
> > Note how long the search takes to put some data in the list. If this is
> > the FIRST search you've performed since the last time SQL server
rebooted,
> > it might take as long as several minutes, depending on the size of your
> > Calls table.
> >
> > Now close this user, and repeat for another user, a different one.
> >
> > If the second search takes LONGER than a couple of seconds, your DB
isn't
> > fitting entirely in RAM, meaning that EVERY search has to go to disk.
> Even
> > if the first search took five minutes, if there was enough RAM, and the
DB
> > small enough, SQL would have cached it ALL, making subsequent searches
> > lightning fast. Again, if it wasn't a matter of a couple of seconds on
> > the second search, give more RAM to SQL, and trim the calls table as I
> > discussed in prior messages.
> >
> > And again, my third recommendation is still important, too. Use a
defrag
> > utility on your server every few months. Your DB can get fragmented
> > beyond belief, and if it winds up with thousands of fragments (a year or
> so
> > of not being handled), it can slow your system to a crawl, or even make
it
> > unstable, rebooting with BSoD's. Defragging is crucial, but it has to
be
> > done when SQL is DOWN, so if you do this, make sure you have backup
RADIUS
> > elsewhere, as it can take an hour or more to defrag a badly screwedup
> drive.
> >
> > 1) Give SQL lots of RAM
> > 2) Keep Calls Small
> > 3) Defrag twice a year.
> >
> > Happy SQL.
> >
> > At 10:33 AM 2/4/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > >At 11:19 AM 02/04/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >If you don't need them other than for tech, or for rooting out line
> > > >campers, consolidate, and then kill.
> > > >
> > >
> > >Thanks for the help, Jeff. We started with Emerald about 6 months ago
so
> > >this should help get our DB in order and keep it that way.
> > >
> > >Thanks again,
> > >David
> > >
> > >
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