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Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:00:42 -0700
Message 1: Re: Mail routing
from "Robert W. Downard" <downrw@sncac.snc.edu>
Message 2: Re: Weird Modem issue
from "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Message 3: Re: Mail routing
from "Adam Greene" <adam@webjogger.net>
Message 4:
from "Waldemar Born" <WallyB@LIP.net>
Message 5: Re: newbies ISP setup
from Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>
Message 6: Re: newbies ISP setup
from "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Message 7: Re: newbies ISP setup
from "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Message 8: Re: newbies ISP setup
from matthew <matthew@the-spa.com>
Message 9: RE: newbies ISP setup
from "Greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 10: Multiple web sites
from "John Bichao Jr." <johnb@cascadenet.com>
Message 11: RE: newbies ISP setup
from "Ivan J. Rainbolt" <ivan@endore.com>
Message 12: Re: newbies ISP setup
from "WINNT" <winnt@hotline.net.au>
Message 13: RE: Multiple web sites
from "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 14: RE: Multiple web sites
from "John Bichao Jr." <johnb@cascadenet.com>
Message 15: MTU Settings
from "John David M. Miller" <webmaster@samnet.net>
Message 16: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
from Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>
Message 17: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
from "Danny Sinang" <danny@uplink.com.ph>
Message 18: RE: Compaq vs. PM3
from "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 19: RE: Compaq vs. PM3
from "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 20: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
from Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>
Message 21: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
from "Danny Sinang" <danny@uplink.com.ph>
Message 22: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
from Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>
Message 23: Statistics
from "Howard Brooks" <admin@iamnow.net>
Message 24:
from Gil Pleczynski <gilp@mcsystems.net>
Message 25: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
from "Norris Sydnor" <nsydnor@capcity.com>
Message 26: Anybody selling iMail 4.0 at it's old price ?
from "Danny Sinang" <danny@uplink.com.ph>
Message 27: Re: Anybody selling iMail 4.0 at it's old price ?
from Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>
Message 28: RE: Anybody selling iMail 4.0 at it's old price ?
from "Kurt A. Butzin, DDS" <kurt@molar.net>
Message 29: RE: Compaq vs. PM3
from "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 30: RE: Statistics
from "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 31: Re: Statistics
from "Dave" <davem@netmedia.com.au>
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Subject: Re: Mail routing
From: "Robert W. Downard" <downrw@sncac.snc.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:42:53 -0500
David Payer wrote:
>
> I need to migrate users to the
> >new mail server, but not require them to change their email addresses
> >right away.
> >
> >What is the best way to accomplish this?
> >--
> >Robert W. Downard
>
> What are you currently using for software and what are you going to be
> using? If you are still open to suggestions there may be a way to do it
> easily.
We are running DEC Ultrix and Sendmail on the old servers. We are
running NT and Netscape Messager on the new server. Is there a way to
do this with the MX records in DNS?
-- Robert W. DownardNetworking & Systems Spec. email: downrw@sncac.snc.eduSt. Norbert College Phone: (920) 403-3971100 Grant Street Fax: (920) 403-4084De Pere, WI 54115-2099
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 2 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Weird Modem issueFrom: "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:06:41 -0400
first of all what Mail server software you running? where is the Mailserverlocated at home or at work? Try locating the Mail server at your office toreduce the traffic over your home connection.
-----Original Message-----From: Matthew Andersen <mander@logi.net>To: ntisp@emerald.iea.com <ntisp@emerald.iea.com>Date: August 23, 1998 12:06 PMSubject: Weird Modem issue
>I have a dedicated connection from my house to our office. 28.8 This>connection runs a couple of mailing lists. So at sometimes the bandwidth is>saturated. I have 16 IPs at home, and use RRAS on NT to handle routing.>>The problem I have is when mail starts sending high volumes of mail. If I>use a USR at home, I can still get out. It is just really slow. IE (If the>mail server is delivering mail, I can ping www.excite.com -w 20000 and it>usually takes about 15000.) If I change the modem at home to a zoom I can't>get out at all when the mail server is sending. IE (The mail server sends>it mail, but when I try to ping something the request times out. I have>tried all the way up to a -w 50000)>>The modem at the office is a USR Courier.>>Does anyone have any ideas or solutions for this problem?>>Thanks,>Matthew>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 3 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Mail routingFrom: "Adam Greene" <adam@webjogger.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:08:16 -0400
Off the top of my head, I would recommend copying all the user informationon host1 and host2 to the new mail server. Then, very quickly change the ARecord and MX Record that currently point to host1 and host2 to recordswhich point to the new mail server instead.
Adam GreeneWebjogger Internet Services
-----Original Message-----From: Robert W. Downard <downrw@sncac.snc.edu>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 4:09 PMSubject: Mail routing
>I am installing a new mail server and want it to receive mail destined>for its host name and the host names of our two existing mail servers.>I now have host1.domain.edu and host2.domain.edu. Users receive mail>addressed to user@host1.domain.edu or user@host2.domain.edu. I am>installing a new server, mail.domain.edu. I will not be shutting down>host1.domain.edu or host2.domain.edu, but I want all mail addressed to>these machines to go to mail.domain.edu. I need to migrate users to the>new mail server, but not require them to change their email addresses>right away.>>What is the best way to accomplish this?>-->Robert W. Downard>Networking & Systems Spec. email: downrw@sncac.snc.edu>St. Norbert College Phone: (920) 403-3971>100 Grant Street Fax: (920) 403-4084>De Pere, WI 54115-2099>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 4 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: From: "Waldemar Born" <WallyB@LIP.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:14:45 +0100
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..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 5 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: newbies ISP setupFrom: Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:38:10 +0800
To: All good people out there.
Thanks for so many reply to my newbies problem. Anyway here's my scenerio:
I have a budget of US$50K.I need to set up the followings :-
ISP services with 56Kbps dial-up 32 lines.
Equipments I need ?? :
a. Cisco Router (or Ascend if cheaper)?b. CSU/DSU ?c. 56K modem rack (Hayes/Compaq??)d. NAS (Computone??)?(can c. & d. units be Ascend Max 4000 or PM3)? e. Web & DNS Server (MS IIS / DNS)f. Mail Server (Imail 4.0)g. HP Surestore DAT with Seagate Backuph. Radius and ISP billing Software.i. Misc: Racks / UPS /
Did I miss anything??Can this be achieve with US$50K??Anybody have a turnkey 2nd Hand system to sell??
Thank you
Ken
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 6 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: newbies ISP setupFrom: "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:17:33 -0400
-----Original Message-----From: Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: August 24, 1998 10:57 AMSubject: Re: newbies ISP setup
>To: All good people out there.>>Thanks for so many reply to my newbies problem. Anyway here's my scenerio:>>I have a budget of US$50K.>I need to set up the followings :->>ISP services with 56Kbps dial-up 32 lines.>>Equipments I need ?? :>>a. Cisco Router (or Ascend if cheaper)?Go with Cisco since we have seen problems with Ascend's routers.
>b. CSU/DSU ?Motorola
>c. 56K modem rack (Hayes/Compaq??)goto http://www.ispconsign.com/index.cgiand check for any second hand USR Chassis or Netservers. They work well.
>d. NAS (Computone??)?With USR Chassis or Netserver, No NAS is needed.
>e. Web & DNS Server (MS IIS / DNS)
MS IIS But use FBLI DNS Pro http://www.fbli.com
>f. Mail Server (Imail 4.0)or Mailsite http://www.rockliffe.com
>g. HP Surestore DAT with Seagate BackupGood choice
>h. Radius and ISP billing Software.http://www.iea-software.com has Radius and Emerald accounting software whichwe use.
>i. Misc: Racks / UPS /UPS are a MUST for protecting your Mission Critical equipment from PowerSurges.
>>>Did I miss anything??>Can this be achieve with US$50K??>Anybody have a turnkey 2nd Hand system to sell??
check at http://www.ispconsign.com/index.cgifor second hand ISP Hardware. Usually low prices and you bid on the item likean Auction.>>Thank you>>Ken>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 7 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: newbies ISP setupFrom: "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:24:45 -0400
at http://www.ispconsign.com/index.cgithere is a USR Total Control Chassis with 48 Ports analog/ISDN selling for$5500 US. IT is about to expire at Tuesday, August 25 at 07:17 EDT. If youwant to get a Full Chassis at a low rate, I would strongly suggest you topurchase this unit. You can start off with 1 PRI or T1 Link and work atincreasing it at a later date.
-----Original Message-----From: Rudy Komsic <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: August 24, 1998 11:23 AMSubject: Re: newbies ISP setup
>>-----Original Message----->From: Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>>Date: August 24, 1998 10:57 AM>Subject: Re: newbies ISP setup>>>>To: All good people out there.>>>>Thanks for so many reply to my newbies problem. Anyway here's my scenerio:>>>>I have a budget of US$50K.>>I need to set up the followings :->>>>ISP services with 56Kbps dial-up 32 lines.>>>>Equipments I need ?? :>>>>a. Cisco Router (or Ascend if cheaper)?>Go with Cisco since we have seen problems with Ascend's routers.>>>b. CSU/DSU ?>Motorola>>>c. 56K modem rack (Hayes/Compaq??)>goto http://www.ispconsign.com/index.cgi>and check for any second hand USR Chassis or Netservers. They work well.>>>d. NAS (Computone??)?>With USR Chassis or Netserver, No NAS is needed.>>>e. Web & DNS Server (MS IIS / DNS)>>MS IIS But use FBLI DNS Pro http://www.fbli.com>>>f. Mail Server (Imail 4.0)>or Mailsite http://www.rockliffe.com>>>g. HP Surestore DAT with Seagate Backup>Good choice>>>h. Radius and ISP billing Software.>http://www.iea-software.com has Radius and Emerald accounting software which>we use.>>>i. Misc: Racks / UPS />UPS are a MUST for protecting your Mission Critical equipment from Power>Surges.>>>>>>>Did I miss anything??>>Can this be achieve with US$50K??>>Anybody have a turnkey 2nd Hand system to sell??>>check at http://www.ispconsign.com/index.cgi>for second hand ISP Hardware. Usually low prices and you bid on the itemlike>an Auction.>>>>Thank you>>>>Ken>>>>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 8 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: newbies ISP setupFrom: matthew <matthew@the-spa.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:50:48 -0400
ok. you should have started with this list...
a. cisco router. 2501 is all you need for a while. b. csu/dsu tylink or adtrans c. usr total control with hiper arc and 2 hiper dsp (or pm3) d. c. takes care of c. and d. and provides up to 46 56k dialups and/orisdn e. a good quality pentium II 300 or better. we're partial to compaqproliants but for a startup you could get most any machines from a good clonebuilder who is familar with nt. for software we use website pro but iis isn't bad.website is just what we started with long before iis existed. f. ipswitch's imail is great. we use it. g. we also use surestore. good solid stuff. h. rodopi for acct. software and use the usr radius. i. get something like an apc 1400 (rackmount) you won't need rackmountyet but if you grow at all you certainly will and it would be nice to beready.
on the computers (e.) you should figure out your budget and see howmany separate machines you can afford. you could run it all on onemachine but we have never gone that way. you can even get carried away abit and run it all on identical hardware to keep things simpler. we run everything on identical compaq proliantswith mirrored hard drives, dual power supplies etc.
compaq and dell are offering some pretty decent entry level nt serversthese days.
you should spend a lot of time online reading faq's and mailing lists.
matthew
Ken Chua wrote:> > To: All good people out there.> > Thanks for so many reply to my newbies problem. Anyway here's my scenerio:> > I have a budget of US$50K.> I need to set up the followings :-> > ISP services with 56Kbps dial-up 32 lines.> > Equipments I need ?? :> > a. Cisco Router (or Ascend if cheaper)?> b. CSU/DSU ?> c. 56K modem rack (Hayes/Compaq??)> d. NAS (Computone??)?> (can c. & d. units be Ascend Max 4000 or PM3)?> e. Web & DNS Server (MS IIS / DNS)> f. Mail Server (Imail 4.0)> g. HP Surestore DAT with Seagate Backup> h. Radius and ISP billing Software.> i. Misc: Racks / UPS /> > Did I miss anything??> Can this be achieve with US$50K??> Anybody have a turnkey 2nd Hand system to sell??> > Thank you> > Ken
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 9 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: newbies ISP setupFrom: "Greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:35:11 -0700
This is the best way to go. I would run web, DNS and mail onthreeidentical machines with each software installed on at least twoofthem with the services disabled. I have a customer that isrunningDNS on a duel PII 400 with hardware striped SCSI 9Gig drives (wayover kill) but when his web server crashed he thanked me formakinghim spend the money when he was back up in the time it takes toaddan IP address to the DNS machine.I have several friends that are ISP's and have NT problems allthe timebut they run this, that and the other on one machine. I run onething onone machine DNS, Mail, News, IIS, SQL, List and so on. I don'tever haveNT problems.A must have is VNC. This is like Remotely Possible or PC Anywherebut betterand can be run from any Web browser to completely control yourmachines bestof all its FREE.
>> on the computers (e.) you should figure out your> budget and see how> many separate machines you can afford. you could run> it all on one> machine but we have never gone that way. you can even> get carried away a> bit and run it all on identical hardware> to keep things simpler. we run everything on> identical compaq proliants> with mirrored hard drives, dual power supplies etc.
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 10 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Multiple web sitesFrom: "John Bichao Jr." <johnb@cascadenet.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:18:37 -0400
I need some help in setting up multiple web sites that respond to unique IPaddresses on a single IIS 4.0 server?Please include all aspects, not just what relates to IIS. Thanks in advance.
#######################################################John Bichao Jr.MIS ManagerCascade Systems Inc.300 Brickstone Sq.Andover MA 01810-1435
Email: jbichao@cascadenet.comVoice: (978) 749-7000 x243 Fax: (978) 749-7099#######################################################
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 11 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: newbies ISP setupFrom: "Ivan J. Rainbolt" <ivan@endore.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:27:55 -0400
Fopr those who saw this, I found it at http://www.orl.co.uk/vnc/
Just FYI
Ivan
>A must have is VNC. This is like Remotely Possible or PC Anywhere>but better>and can be run from any Web browser to completely control your>machines best>of all its FREE.>***************************************************** Ivan J. Rainbolt <> Account Representative ivan@endore.com <> http://endore.com Endore <> Virtual Hosting & Web Design"Who stopped the payment on my reality check?"*****************************************************
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 12 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: newbies ISP setupFrom: "WINNT" <winnt@hotline.net.au>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:25:04 +1000
Hello,I have just been through that setup exactly.We are a small service company but our budget was AUS$30k to setup an ISP.
We went with an NT only setup.Ascend Pipeline 130 Router2x PII 266 with 256Mb RAM and 2x9GB mirrored SCSI.Equinox 32Port I/O and 32 33.6kb Modems
We run all the dialins and the Backup DNS and NTMail on one server andMSProxy2 + Primary DNS and IIS on the other.We have been using this setup for 9 months and have had NO problems.I strongly recommend BIND for your DNS as we tried MSDNS and it isunreliable.
RegardsMalcolm JoosseTechnical DirectorHotline Support Pty. Ltd. " Our Service is your Support "malcolm@hotline.net.auwww.hotline.net.au
-----Original Message-----From: Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Tuesday, 25 August 1998 0:50Subject: Re: newbies ISP setup
>To: All good people out there.>>Thanks for so many reply to my newbies problem. Anyway here's my scenerio:>>I have a budget of US$50K.>I need to set up the followings :->>ISP services with 56Kbps dial-up 32 lines.>>Equipments I need ?? :>>a. Cisco Router (or Ascend if cheaper)?>b. CSU/DSU ?>c. 56K modem rack (Hayes/Compaq??)>d. NAS (Computone??)?>(can c. & d. units be Ascend Max 4000 or PM3)?>e. Web & DNS Server (MS IIS / DNS)>f. Mail Server (Imail 4.0)>g. HP Surestore DAT with Seagate Backup>h. Radius and ISP billing Software.>i. Misc: Racks / UPS />>>Did I miss anything??>Can this be achieve with US$50K??>Anybody have a turnkey 2nd Hand system to sell??>>Thank you>>Ken>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 13 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: Multiple web sitesFrom: "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:21:31 -0700
Add your IP's:Start/Settings/Control Panel/Network/Protocol/TCP/IP ProtocolSelect Advanced on the IP Address tab and enter as many IP'sand Subnets as you need. You must reboot for them to take effect.
Add your site:Select Internet Service Manager this will load the ManagementConsole. Under Internet Information Server select your serverRight click it and select New/Web Site. Add the description, Iuse name from www.name.com. (NEXT) Add the IP address for that site.One some of my servers the arrow shows all IP's on the serverand some I have to type them in. (NEXT) Browse to select the pathwhere the files for this site will be. (NEXT) take the defaults fornow (FINISH). Your new site will show up below the Default andAdministrationWeb Sites. Select it and Start it and your ready to add another.
All this assumes your DNS is done and you have set the Defaults inthe Default Web Site.I'm sure someone can help with your particular DNS if you need it.
>>> I need some help in setting up multiple web sites that respond to> unique IP> addresses on a single IIS 4.0 server?> Please include all aspects, not just what relates to IIS. Thanks> in advance.>>> #######################################################> John Bichao Jr.> MIS Manager> Cascade Systems Inc.> 300 Brickstone Sq.> Andover MA 01810-1435>> Email: jbichao@cascadenet.com> Voice: (978) 749-7000 x243 Fax: (978) 749-7099> #######################################################>>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 14 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: Multiple web sitesFrom: "John Bichao Jr." <johnb@cascadenet.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:31:52 -0400
The DNS is actually the part I need most. Is it a new zone? domain?anybody????
-----Original Message-----From: ntisp-request@iea-software.com[mailto:ntisp-request@iea-software.com]On Behalf Of greg LowthianSent: Monday, August 24, 1998 7:22 PMTo: ntisp@iea-software.comSubject: RE: Multiple web sites
Add your IP's:Start/Settings/Control Panel/Network/Protocol/TCP/IP ProtocolSelect Advanced on the IP Address tab and enter as many IP'sand Subnets as you need. You must reboot for them to take effect.
Add your site:Select Internet Service Manager this will load the ManagementConsole. Under Internet Information Server select your serverRight click it and select New/Web Site. Add the description, Iuse name from www.name.com. (NEXT) Add the IP address for that site.One some of my servers the arrow shows all IP's on the serverand some I have to type them in. (NEXT) Browse to select the pathwhere the files for this site will be. (NEXT) take the defaults fornow (FINISH). Your new site will show up below the Default andAdministrationWeb Sites. Select it and Start it and your ready to add another.
All this assumes your DNS is done and you have set the Defaults inthe Default Web Site.I'm sure someone can help with your particular DNS if you need it.
>>> I need some help in setting up multiple web sites that respond to> unique IP> addresses on a single IIS 4.0 server?> Please include all aspects, not just what relates to IIS. Thanks> in advance.>>> #######################################################> John Bichao Jr.> MIS Manager> Cascade Systems Inc.> 300 Brickstone Sq.> Andover MA 01810-1435>> Email: jbichao@cascadenet.com> Voice: (978) 749-7000 x243 Fax: (978) 749-7099> #######################################################>>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 15 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: MTU SettingsFrom: "John David M. Miller" <webmaster@samnet.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:37:34 -0400
With all the stuff I am reading about MTU settingswould it improve performance to my dial up customersto set the MTU to 576 on our Max 4048's? If the MTUsetting was changed do I need to change the MTU onour NT servers (Mail, News, WWW) also?
How about the client side? Would they also need tomake the change or would the fact that they are setto a higher number already preclude the need to change?
TIA
John David M. Millerwebmaster@samnet.net
SAMnet - Software and More Inc.http://www.samnet.netIpswitch WebVAR
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 16 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:05:38 -0400 (EDT)
I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. Theyare easy to configure and run for long periods of time withoutmaintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow inreleasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get it right.
On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700> From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> To: ntisp@iea-software.com> Subject: Compaq vs. PM3> > Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the Lucent PM3?> Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?> > Preston>
******************************************************Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net" NT Network Administrator Florida Digital Turnpike Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt ******************************************************
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 17 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3From: "Danny Sinang" <danny@uplink.com.ph>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:12:56 +0800
What ? PM3's still don't support V.90 ? Oh no !!
- Danny
-----Original Message-----From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>To: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>Cc: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:15 AMSubject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3
>I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. They>are easy to configure and run for long periods of time without>maintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow in>releasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get it right.>>>>On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:>>> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700>> From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>>> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com>> To: ntisp@iea-software.com>> Subject: Compaq vs. PM3>>>> Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the LucentPM3?>> Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?>>>> Preston>>>>>>>******************************************************>Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net">NT Network Administrator>Florida Digital Turnpike>Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt>******************************************************>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 18 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: Compaq vs. PM3From: "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:21:39 -0700
I have three PM3's also in remote locations and 4 Ascend Max 4xxx inremote locations and the only problem I have, is I know next to nothingabout them because they never need touching they just run. The onlyconsideration I place on new ones is which I can get cheaper PM3 or Max.
>>> I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. They> are easy to configure and run for long periods of time without> maintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow in> releasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get it right.>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:>> > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700> > From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> > Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> > To: ntisp@iea-software.com> > Subject: Compaq vs. PM3> >> > Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the> Lucent PM3?> > Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?> >> > Preston> >>>>>> ******************************************************> Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net"> NT Network Administrator> Florida Digital Turnpike> Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt> ******************************************************>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 19 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: RE: Compaq vs. PM3From: "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:28:09 -0700
They took about 2 to 3 weeks longer to release a V.90 upgradebut it has been stable and fast from the first release unlike others.
> > > What ? PM3's still don't support V.90 ? Oh no !!> > - Danny> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>> To: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> Cc: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:15 AM> Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3> > > >I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. They> >are easy to configure and run for long periods of time without> >maintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow in> >releasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get > it right.> >> >> >> >On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:> >> >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700> >> From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> >> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> >> To: ntisp@iea-software.com> >> Subject: Compaq vs. PM3> >>> >> Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the Lucent> PM3?> >> Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?> >>> >> Preston> >>> >> >> >> >> >******************************************************> >Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net"> >NT Network Administrator> >Florida Digital Turnpike> >Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt> >******************************************************> >> >
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 20 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
Yes...It is a great source of tension among PM3 owners. It has beensuggested to put the technicians that are working on it out of theirmisery.
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Danny Sinang wrote:
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:12:56 +0800> From: Danny Sinang <danny@uplink.com.ph>> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> To: ntisp@iea-software.com> Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3> > What ? PM3's still don't support V.90 ? Oh no !!> > - Danny> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>> To: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> Cc: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:15 AM> Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3> > > >I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. They> >are easy to configure and run for long periods of time without> >maintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow in> >releasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get it right.> >> >> >> >On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:> >> >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700> >> From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> >> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> >> To: ntisp@iea-software.com> >> Subject: Compaq vs. PM3> >>> >> Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the Lucent> PM3?> >> Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?> >>> >> Preston> >>> >> >> >> >> >******************************************************> >Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net"> >NT Network Administrator> >Florida Digital Turnpike> >Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt> >******************************************************> >>
******************************************************Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net" NT Network Administrator Florida Digital Turnpike Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt ******************************************************
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 21 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3From: "Danny Sinang" <danny@uplink.com.ph>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:38:18 +0800
You mean to say PM3's now have working V.90 code ? How come Ethan on themailing list states otehrwise ?
- Danny
-----Original Message-----From: greg Lowthian <greg@isat.com>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:35 AMSubject: RE: Compaq vs. PM3
>They took about 2 to 3 weeks longer to release a V.90 upgrade>but it has been stable and fast from the first release unlike others.>>>>>>> What ? PM3's still don't support V.90 ? Oh no !!>>>> - Danny>>>>>> -----Original Message----->> From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>>> To: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>>> Cc: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>>> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:15 AM>> Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3>>>>>> >I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. They>> >are easy to configure and run for long periods of time without>> >maintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow in>> >releasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get>> it right.>> >>> >>> >>> >On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:>> >>> >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700>> >> From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>>> >> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com>>>> >> To: ntisp@iea-software.com>> >> Subject: Compaq vs. PM3>> >>>> >> Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the Lucent>> PM3?>> >> Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?>> >>>> >> Preston>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >******************************************************>> >Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net">> >NT Network Administrator>> >Florida Digital Turnpike>> >Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt>> >******************************************************>> >>>>>
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 22 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:41:52 -0400 (EDT)
There is V.90 code available, but it has been eternally in beta, and stillhas many bugs. There is no final version available.
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Danny Sinang wrote:
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:38:18 +0800> From: Danny Sinang <danny@uplink.com.ph>> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> To: ntisp@iea-software.com> Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3> > You mean to say PM3's now have working V.90 code ? How come Ethan on the> mailing list states otehrwise ?> > - Danny> > -----Original Message-----> From: greg Lowthian <greg@isat.com>> To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:35 AM> Subject: RE: Compaq vs. PM3> > > >They took about 2 to 3 weeks longer to release a V.90 upgrade> >but it has been stable and fast from the first release unlike others.> >> >>> >>> >> What ? PM3's still don't support V.90 ? Oh no !!> >>> >> - Danny> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: Ethan <ethan@fdt.net>> >> To: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> >> Cc: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>> >> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:15 AM> >> Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3> >>> >>> >> >I have several Portmaster 3's in remote areas and they work great. They> >> >are easy to configure and run for long periods of time without> >> >maintenance. The only drawback is that Lucent has been very slow in> >> >releasing the final version of V.90. They just can't seem to get> >> it right.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Preston Korn wrote:> >> >> >> >> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:04:29 -0700> >> >> From: Preston Korn <preston@jaycreek.com>> >> >> Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> >> >> >> >> To: ntisp@iea-software.com> >> >> Subject: Compaq vs. PM3> >> >>> >> >> Does anyone have any input on the compaq access servers vs the Lucent> >> PM3?> >> >> Which is better? Are they just as good? Which do you recommend?> >> >>> >> >> Preston> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >******************************************************> >> >Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net"> >> >NT Network Administrator> >> >Florida Digital Turnpike> >> >Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt> >> >******************************************************> >> >> >>> >>>
******************************************************Ethan Meiselman "ethan@fdt.net" NT Network Administrator Florida Digital Turnpike Public PGP Key http://gnv.fdt.net/~ethan/keys/pgp.txt ******************************************************
..------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------.| Message 23 |'------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'Subject: StatisticsFrom: "Howard Brooks" <admin@iamnow.net>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:49:45 -0400
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There is no final version available.>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Danny Sinang wrote:>> > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:38:18 +0800> > From: Danny Sinang > > Reply-To: ntisp@iea-software.com> > To: ntisp@iea-software.com> > Subject: Re: Compaq vs. PM3> >> > You mean to say PM3's now have working V.90 code ? How come Ethan on the> > mailing list states otehrwise ?> >> > - Danny> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: greg Lowthian > > To: ntisp@iea-software.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:35 AM> > Subject: RE: Compaq vs. PM3> >> >> > >They took about 2 to 3 weeks longer to release a V.90 upgrade> > >but it has been stable and fast from the first release unlike others.> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> What ? PM3's still don't support V.90 ? 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