Message 2: Re: newbies ISP setup
from "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
Message 3: Re: half vs full duplex
from Thomas Massano <ThomasM@InletCorp.com>
Message 4: Re: NAS Recommendations
from John Lange <radadmin@palacenet.net>
Message 5: Re: NAS Recommendations
from matthew <matthew@the-spa.com>
Message 6: Re: Default page on IIS
from "Michael A. Davis Jr." <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Message 7: Re: newbies ISP setup
from "Eric Fagan" <mailserve@pdqnet.net>
Message 8: RE: newbies ISP setup
from ronnie@itexas.net (Ronnie D. Franklin)
Message 9: RE: newbies ISP setup
from "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Message 10: Re: newbies ISP setup
from "John David M. Miller" <webmaster@samnet.net>
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Subject: Re: half vs full duplex
From: "Jonathan D. Hozeska" <jhozeska@sbbsnet.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:47:02 -0400
If you enable full duplex on a half duplex network it can easily generate
enough errors to cripple the network. Your entire network segment can
support full duplex.
At 06:18 PM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>couple of networks i got offer the choice of half or full duplex. They
>defaulted to half so I never changed them cuz I wasn't sure what would
>happen if I set them to full and the other end didn't support it. I have
>looked but never found the answer.
>My question is :
>if i set a network card to full and its not supported will it run in half or
>not work at all.?
>
>thanks
>md
>
>
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Subject: Re: newbies ISP setup
From: "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:22:16 -0500
>ok. the first thing you need to know about providing 56k access is that
>it isn't done over normal phone lines.
>
> it is done over what is called "pri" lines.
>
Or in the case of *some* people BRI lines. The regulated cost per month for
PRI services varies by state. In my state a PRI (23B-data and 1D-channel) is
$1600 per month. I can buy BRI (2B+1D channels) for less. I get 12 BRI
(24B+12D) for $600 per month. That is a savings of $12000 per year or the
cost of a PM3.
Once they are setup, BRI work great. I use USR Netservers. These have 16
channels and use 8 BRI. They cost $5k each. I have no more problems than I
hear people with PM3 or total control units have.
David Payer
OMNI Internet
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Subject: Re: half vs full duplex
From: Thomas Massano <ThomasM@InletCorp.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:23:10 -0400
Md, the key to it is, does the hub and or cabling support full duplex. Most
cards have this feature as "auto Sensing". I only use 3com Nics and
Hubs/Switches at the sites i setup. And I always spec out the cabling for
cat5 4 pair per jack. Wiring for the future, Gigabit Ethernet requires 4
pair. Depending on the type of card or technology, you may require 4 pair
cables instead of two in 100BASE-T. As someone else pointed out, if you
turn full duplex on, and your wiring or hub does not support it, it WILL
cause problems on your net. Here is some info on 100BASE-T from 3com's site:
Support for 100BASE-TX or 100BASE-T4 Power of 100 Mbps performance without
the cost of installing new cable. T4 provides flexibility to support 100
Mbps on 4 pairs of Category 3, 4, or 5 UTP cable. TX provides 100 Mbps
throughput using two pairs of Category 5 UTP. Both TX and T4 support
Category 3, 4, or 5 UTP cable for 10BASE-T mode
At 06:18 PM 8/21/98 , you wrote:
>couple of networks i got offer the choice of half or full duplex. They
>defaulted to half so I never changed them cuz I wasn't sure what would
>happen if I set them to full and the other end didn't support it. I have
>looked but never found the answer.
>My question is :
>if i set a network card to full and its not supported will it run in half or
>not work at all.?
>
>thanks
>md
>
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Subject: Re: NAS Recommendations
From: John Lange <radadmin@palacenet.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:56:55 -0500
HI
I know this will be a lot of help. I feel real "Charlie Brownish" today
(wishy-washy){GRIN} and one of my vendors called me a "Propeller Head"
Yesterday. Has anyone heard this term before? Or am I just that far out
in the middle of Wisconsin that it took this long to filter in?
[Back on Topic]
All I know is that our PM3's that we bought 4 months ago have been running
flawlessly. The biggest drawback I see with them is Future Compatibility
with Emerging Technologies.
I'm afraid that they will go to the stack of PM2's in about another year,
only to be replaced by something that will do "ip Telephony". Video
processing, or some new thing that the PM3's poor little 486 CPU won't be
able to handle.
You might have better luck with a PM4, your TC's or I believe Ascend make's
a more advanced product.
JOhn :}
At 03:17 PM 8/21/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Currently we are using 3Com TC and are about to purchase additional units.
>We thought it would be a good time to check out the competition. Can
>anyone share their feelings regarding PM3's, MAX6000's, Cisco AS5300, and
>Bay's 5399. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ray
>
>
>
John C. Lange, Sr. PALACE dot NET, INC.
microjl@palacenet.net MICRO-TECH Computers, Inc.
608.742.1601 & 6980 1918 New Pinery Road
http://www.palacenet.net/ Portage, WI 53901
Visit our online store @ http://www.microt.com/
Authorized iPSwitch WebVar @ http://www.microt.com/iPSwitch/index.html
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Subject: Re: NAS Recommendations
From: matthew <matthew@the-spa.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:39:20 -0400
we are using all total control. we have two chassis loaded with the
hiper dsp cards and a few of the older lower density chassis' that only
handled 48 lines (96 if you install just 2 of the hiper dsp cards)
we feel that these chassis' give us a pretty good hedge on new
technologies. also, we don't worry too much about the obsolescence
because within 2 or 3 years the equipment has been depreciated so much
that as long as we keep it full of people it has way more than paid for
itself.
we were doing this back when you had to have hundreds of individual
modems connected to terminal servers with hundreds of wires for power,
phone and rs-232
with the total control chassis' with hiper dsp modems and hiper arc
cards we have over 300 lines per chassis capable of x2, v90 or isdn and
all that comes out of that chassis is 3 ethernet cables, 1 for the nmc
card, 2 for the hiper arc and 2 power cables for the primary and
redundant power supplies.
thats 4 wires in all per chassis for 300+ lines in each chassis.
and the hiper dsp bundles (1 chassis, 1 power supply, 1 hiper arc cards
and 2 hiper dsp cards) is so cheap that when we need just 2 hiper dsp
cards we buy a whole chassis bundle and just put the empty chassis in
storage as a spare and use the parts to make older chassis hiper arc and
redundant power.
matthew
John Lange wrote:
>
> HI
>
> I know this will be a lot of help. I feel real "Charlie Brownish" today
> (wishy-washy){GRIN} and one of my vendors called me a "Propeller Head"
> Yesterday. Has anyone heard this term before? Or am I just that far out
> in the middle of Wisconsin that it took this long to filter in?
>
> [Back on Topic]
>
> All I know is that our PM3's that we bought 4 months ago have been running
> flawlessly. The biggest drawback I see with them is Future Compatibility
> with Emerging Technologies.
>
> I'm afraid that they will go to the stack of PM2's in about another year,
> only to be replaced by something that will do "ip Telephony". Video
> processing, or some new thing that the PM3's poor little 486 CPU won't be
> able to handle.
>
> You might have better luck with a PM4, your TC's or I believe Ascend make's
> a more advanced product.
>
> JOhn :}
>
> At 03:17 PM 8/21/1998 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Currently we are using 3Com TC and are about to purchase additional units.
> >We thought it would be a good time to check out the competition. Can
> >anyone share their feelings regarding PM3's, MAX6000's, Cisco AS5300, and
> >Bay's 5399. Any advice will be appreciated.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Ray
> >
> >
> >
>
> John C. Lange, Sr. PALACE dot NET, INC.
> microjl@palacenet.net MICRO-TECH Computers, Inc.
> 608.742.1601 & 6980 1918 New Pinery Road
> http://www.palacenet.net/ Portage, WI 53901
> Visit our online store @ http://www.microt.com/
> Authorized iPSwitch WebVar @ http://www.microt.com/iPSwitch/index.html
>
> --- __o
> --- _-\<,_ Fastest Service in Town
> --- (_)/ (_)
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Subject: Re: Default page on IIS
From: "Michael A. Davis Jr." <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:48:04 -0400
Yes, I have ASP installed, but that's the way I've had it since IIS3 came
out. I've currently got 2 machines built the same... one allows the
multiple default documents, the other doesn't!
Mike
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From: Richard Lachance <richard@vircom.com>
To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Default page on IIS
>-----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael A. Davis Jr. <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
>> I just rebuilt our primary web server... added a couple of drives and
>> stripped them, and when I got it back up I went to add
>> "index.htm,default.html,index.html" to the default document setting in
>IIS.
>> This is how I have always had it setup... it's that way right now on my
>> backup server, but if I have anything other than "default.htm" on the
line
>> by itself, the server will not load any default document at all! By the
>> way, this is IIS 3.0 on NT4 SP3.
>
>Someone once mentionned on this list that using multiple file names
>conflicted with the Active Server Page IIS add-on; have you installed ASP?
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Richard.
>Vircom, Inc.
>
>
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Subject: Re: newbies ISP setup
From: "Eric Fagan" <mailserve@pdqnet.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:21:40 -0600
If pure cost is your primary defining factor for choosing a 56k setup, you
can run a Compaq 4000 (aka Microcom ISPporte, aka Hayes MR200). This will
be your dumb modem box -- you'll need a NAS to hook up to that. Computone
makes a PowerRack Intelliserver -- a (up to) 64 port NAS. The combo *price*
beats the pants off of USR/Ascend/Livingston integrated racks.
Drawbacks w/using the Computone: no MLPPP support, tech support is not
always available, they're a small company. Without MLPPP support, you
cannot bond modems or ISDN channels (ISDN only available if you order PRI -
not with CT1). Does not support all standard Radius tags (such as
idle-timeout: that's set by the port & not by the user).
Drawbacks w/using the Compaq 4000: None that I know of. They've been
really good to us. They support analog 33.6's, digital 33.6's & digital 56k
(k56flex + v.90).
Compaq 4000 info: www.microcom.com
Computone info: www.computone.com
Eric
mailserve@pdqnet.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Chua <ken@neat.com.sg>
To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 7:54 PM
Subject: newbies ISP setup
>Hello
>
>Can anyone recommend a Access Server or a Modem rack to provide about 50
>lines for 56K access??
>
>Thank you
>Kenzie
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Subject: RE: newbies ISP setup
From: ronnie@itexas.net (Ronnie D. Franklin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:29:24 -0500
FYI... I have two Microcom ISPort racks (60 modems each) and Livingston PM2E setups for sale...
Contact me via Email direct if interested...
ronnie@itexas.net
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Subject: RE: newbies ISP setup
From: "greg Lowthian" <greg@isat.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:10:13 -0700
Actually you don't lose ISDN you lose 64K ISDN but you can do 56K ISDN
DOV (Data Over Voice) We do this in 4 of our locations and the customers
are very happy with it. Ascend Max and Livingston PM3 both work well.
>
>
> Actually 56k can be offered over straight T1s also but you
> do lose you ISDN capability on straight T1 lines. We have had
> excellent luck with our Ascend Max units.
>
> John David M. Miller
> webmaster@samnet.net
>
> SAMnet - Software and More Inc.
> http://www.samnet.net
> Ipswitch WebVAR
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ntisp-request@iea-software.com
> > [mailto:ntisp-request@iea-software.com]On Behalf Of matthew
> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 10:10 PM
> > To: ntisp@iea-software.com
> > Subject: Re: newbies ISP setup
> >
> >
> > ok. the first thing you need to know about providing 56k access is that
> > it isn't done over normal phone lines.
> >
> > it is done over what is called "pri" lines.
> >
> > if you know what a t-1 line is (24 channels of 64k delivered over what
> > essentially looks like a 10 base-t network cable) a pri is almost just
> > like that except it is 24 phone lines not 64k data lines)
> >
> > although if you want to get anal data lines is the proper definition...
> >
> > anyway, so there are 24 lines in a pri. you lose 1 "line" for the
> > handling of the call info so you wind up with 23 usable lines.
> >
> > so, 56k equipment comes in multiples of 23 because that is how many
> > lines are in a pri and nobody really bothers with partial pri's.
> >
> > the short answer is you can check out the usr total control rackmount
> > modems or you can also check out the livingston pm3 rackmount modems.
> >
> > www.usr.com or www.livingston.com
> >
> > which is better is strictly a matter of religious orientation.
> >
> > we use all usr total control but that is just personal preference and
> > based on the fact that we wanted to support x2 because that was the
> > first real "standard" that consumers had. it was admittedly a gamble at
> > the time but it sure worked out well for us.
> >
> > matthew
> >
> > Ken Chua wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend a Access Server or a Modem rack to
> provide about 50
> > > lines for 56K access??
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Kenzie
> >
>
>
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Subject: Re: newbies ISP setup
From: "John David M. Miller" <webmaster@samnet.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:29:12 -0400
Thanks for the correction. I don't have any ISDN customers
trying to use our T1 segments. Are there any additional settings
to be changed on the client or server end? Do bonded channels
still work?
John Miller
webmaster@samnet.net
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From: greg Lowthian <greg@isat.com>
To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: newbies ISP setup
>Actually you don't lose ISDN you lose 64K ISDN but you can do 56K ISDN
>DOV (Data Over Voice) We do this in 4 of our locations and the customers
>are very happy with it. Ascend Max and Livingston PM3 both work well.
>
>