Message 2: Re: Multiple upstreams
from "Stuart Stevenson" <stuart@tracent.com>
Message 3: NT install disk from CD?
from "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
Message 4: RE: NT install disk from CD?
from "Waldemar Born" <WallyB@LIP.net>
Message 5: Re: Multiple upstreams
from "Phillip Heller" <pheller@csonline.net>
Message 6: RE: Apologies..... another request for ASP to change passwords
from "David Scott" <davidscott@mtgroup.com>
Message 7: Re: NT install disk from CD?
from "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Message 8: Re: NT install disk from CD?
from "Josh Hillman" <admin-maillist@talstar.com>
Message 9: Re: Multiple upstreams
from "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Message 10: Re: NT install disk from CD?
from "Dale E. Reed Jr." <daler@iea-software.com>
Message 11: Re: Multiple upstreams
from "Phillip Heller" <pheller@csonline.net>
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Subject: Re: Multiple upstreams
From: "dh" <dah@net-tek.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:52:11 -0700
I would be interested in this reply also.
Dirk
Net-Tek Las Vegas
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Stevenson <stuart@tracent.com>
To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:20 PM
Subject: Multiple upstreams
We're currently doing a little web hosting via a 128k ISDN and an Ascend
Pipe 50. We have a class C from PSI and have been humming along just fine.
Now we're starting to feel the pressure to add bandwidth and have struck a
deal with a neighbor to pull in a 10-Base-T cable from his 2 T1s.
The plan is to use a Cisco router between our suite and theirs. We can get
another Class C from these guys, but we would also like to keep the PSI
connection as a backup.
We've got a few questions on how to do all this:
1) Is it possible (and reasonable) to have both connections active at the
same time?
2) If so, can we do it and keep the PSI address block with routing via the
new upstream (which is connected to Verio) or get PSI route to our Verio
block?
3) If not, is it reasonable to setup two subnets (1 PSI block and 1 Verio
block) with each virtual server assigned an address in each subnet? I am
thinking if we do it this way, I could have our primary DNS on the Verio
subnet, pointing to Verio addresses, with our "secondary" setup as a primary
on the PSI subnet, with all it's A records pointing to the PSI block. I
know it's twice the work, but (to me anyway) it makes sense and would
provide complete connection redundancy.
Any thoughts from some seasoned pros?
Stuart Stevenson
stuart@tracent.net
Tracent Technologies, Inc.
www.tracent.net
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Subject: Re: Multiple upstreams
From: "Stuart Stevenson" <stuart@tracent.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:13:49 -0500
Thanks for the quick response!
Can you recommend which Cisco router should I be looking at? It sounds=
like I'd need the following interfaces: BRI-U (for ISDN), 2 10-B-T (from=
the neighbor and for my local net), and preferably a serial interface so I=
could get my own T1 when the time comes. I guess I could also use an=
external NT1 into a serial interface too.
Also (ignorance exposed), what do you mean by "customer routes from PSI",=
does that refer to them setting up their routers to route to a "customer=
owned" address block (really a Verio block in my case)?
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 8/10/98, at 1:12 AM, Phillip Heller wrote:
>I would look into attaching that 128k ISDN line to the Cisco box and run
>BGP4. Of course 128k ISDN hardly offsets the speed of the T1, but if you
>took customer routes from PSI, you might improve efficiency a bit, and
>redundancy _quite_ a bit. Of course you'll need to get PSI and your new
>found friend to do BGP sessions with you.
>
>Good luck either way!
>
>Regards,
> Phil
> pheller@csonline.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stuart Stevenson <stuart@tracent.com>
>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
>Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 11:20 PM
>Subject: Multiple upstreams
>
>
>We're currently doing a little web hosting via a 128k ISDN and an Ascend
>Pipe 50. We have a class C from PSI and have been humming along just=
fine.
>Now we're starting to feel the pressure to add bandwidth and have struck a
>deal with a neighbor to pull in a 10-Base-T cable from his 2 T1s.
>
>The plan is to use a Cisco router between our suite and theirs. We can=
get
>another Class C from these guys, but we would also like to keep the PSI
>connection as a backup.
>
>We've got a few questions on how to do all this:
>
>1) Is it possible (and reasonable) to have both connections active at the
>same time?
>
>2) If so, can we do it and keep the PSI address block with routing via the
>new upstream (which is connected to Verio) or get PSI route to our Verio
>block?
>
>3) If not, is it reasonable to setup two subnets (1 PSI block and 1 Verio
>block) with each virtual server assigned an address in each subnet? I am
>thinking if we do it this way, I could have our primary DNS on the Verio
>subnet, pointing to Verio addresses, with our "secondary" setup as a=
primary
>on the PSI subnet, with all it's A records pointing to the PSI block. I
>know it's twice the work, but (to me anyway) it makes sense and would
>provide complete connection redundancy.
>
>Any thoughts from some seasoned pros?
>
>Stuart Stevenson
>stuart@tracent.net
>Tracent Technologies, Inc.
>www.tracent.net
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Subject: NT install disk from CD?
From: "David Payer" <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:39:59 -0500
I checked the archives but couldn't find it.
What is the command line to create install disks from the NT 4.0 Server CD?
Or the program on the disk to write a boot disk.
David Payer
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Subject: RE: NT install disk from CD?
From: "Waldemar Born" <WallyB@LIP.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:50:14 +0200
use winnt32 /? or winnt /? if you run under Win95. It will give you a full
list of options.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ntisp-request@iea-software.com
> [mailto:ntisp-request@iea-software.com]On Behalf Of David Payer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 5:40 AM
> To: ntisp@iea-software.com
> Subject: NT install disk from CD?
>
>
> I checked the archives but couldn't find it.
>
> What is the command line to create install disks from the NT 4.0
> Server CD?
>
> Or the program on the disk to write a boot disk.
>
> David Payer
>
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Subject: Re: Multiple upstreams
From: "Phillip Heller" <pheller@csonline.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:40:45 -0400
Look into the following:
Cisco 2611 (comes with two 10 Base T interfaces)
WIC-1B-U (one port ISDN BRI with NT1)
and when you're ready to add your own T1:
WIC-1DSU-T1 (single T1 interface with integraded CSU/DSU)
You'll also probably want the IP+ version of CISCO IOS for the added memory
capability.
If you take customer routes from PSI via BGP, then PSI's border router which
is connected to your border router will tell your router via BGP of all the
routes that are directly connected to PSI's network. You would want to do
much the same thing with your friend that you're pulling the ethernet from.
Example:
ISP-A is connected directly to Verio in Los Angeles
ISP-B is connected to PSI out of Washington DC.
If you have taken customer routes and a packet originates from your network
with a destination of ISP-B, your router will know enough to send the packet
through the PSI connection because PSI's router has told your router that
ISP-B is directly connected to another router in it's AS.
Now of course, if one connection dies, your router will know enough to start
sending all the packets through the remaining active connection.
Customer routes doesn't guarantee the fastest routing for all packets, but
it certainly does improve perfomance.
Regards,
Phil
pheller@csonline.net
PS - the NTISP list probably isn't the place to discuss routing and the
such.... if you have any more questions, please email me privately.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Stevenson <stuart@tracent.com>
To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Multiple upstreams
Thanks for the quick response!
Can you recommend which Cisco router should I be looking at? It sounds like
I'd need the following interfaces: BRI-U (for ISDN), 2 10-B-T (from the
neighbor and for my local net), and preferably a serial interface so I could
get my own T1 when the time comes. I guess I could also use an external NT1
into a serial interface too.
Also (ignorance exposed), what do you mean by "customer routes from PSI",
does that refer to them setting up their routers to route to a "customer
owned" address block (really a Verio block in my case)?
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 8/10/98, at 1:12 AM, Phillip Heller wrote:
>I would look into attaching that 128k ISDN line to the Cisco box and run
>BGP4. Of course 128k ISDN hardly offsets the speed of the T1, but if you
>took customer routes from PSI, you might improve efficiency a bit, and
>redundancy _quite_ a bit. Of course you'll need to get PSI and your new
>found friend to do BGP sessions with you.
>
>Good luck either way!
>
>Regards,
> Phil
> pheller@csonline.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stuart Stevenson <stuart@tracent.com>
>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
>Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 11:20 PM
>Subject: Multiple upstreams
>
>
>We're currently doing a little web hosting via a 128k ISDN and an Ascend
>Pipe 50. We have a class C from PSI and have been humming along just fine.
>Now we're starting to feel the pressure to add bandwidth and have struck a
>deal with a neighbor to pull in a 10-Base-T cable from his 2 T1s.
>
>The plan is to use a Cisco router between our suite and theirs. We can get
>another Class C from these guys, but we would also like to keep the PSI
>connection as a backup.
>
>We've got a few questions on how to do all this:
>
>1) Is it possible (and reasonable) to have both connections active at the
>same time?
>
>2) If so, can we do it and keep the PSI address block with routing via the
>new upstream (which is connected to Verio) or get PSI route to our Verio
>block?
>
>3) If not, is it reasonable to setup two subnets (1 PSI block and 1 Verio
>block) with each virtual server assigned an address in each subnet? I am
>thinking if we do it this way, I could have our primary DNS on the Verio
>subnet, pointing to Verio addresses, with our "secondary" setup as a
primary
>on the PSI subnet, with all it's A records pointing to the PSI block. I
>know it's twice the work, but (to me anyway) it makes sense and would
>provide complete connection redundancy.
>
>Any thoughts from some seasoned pros?
>
>Stuart Stevenson
>stuart@tracent.net
>Tracent Technologies, Inc.
>www.tracent.net
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Subject: RE: Apologies..... another request for ASP to change passwords
From: "David Scott" <davidscott@mtgroup.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:56:28 -0500
I have a CGI that runs on NT that will do what you want. Go to
http://www.mtgroup.com/mtgdownloads.htm.
David Scott
davidscott@mtgroup.com
http://www.access-developer.com
http://www.mtgroup.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ntisp-request@iea-software.com
> [mailto:ntisp-request@iea-software.com]On Behalf Of Danny Sinang
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:57 PM
> To: ntisp@iea-software.com
> Subject: Re: Apologies..... another request for ASP to change passwords
>
>
> Try www.solutions.nu and click on DewNT .
>
> - Danny Sinang
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Payer <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
> To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:20 AM
> Subject: Apologies..... another request for ASP to change passwords
>
>
> >I apologize, I thought I saved the response someone gave to the
> question of
> >how to change passwords on your NT server via an ASP page. I
> can't find it
> >and I have gone to several ASP sites looking for that (all I found was a
> >product for $495).
> >
> >Does someone have a URL for this?
> >
> >David Payer
> >OMNI Internet
> >
>
>
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Subject: Re: NT install disk from CD?
From: "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:40:40 -0400
well why do that?
why don't you just go into your BIOS and just set up your boot order to boot
from CD-ROM first?
NT 4.0 and up boots from CD-ROM and therefore you do not need to make
Installation Disks.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Payer <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
Date: August 10, 1998 11:45 AM
Subject: NT install disk from CD?
>I checked the archives but couldn't find it.
>
>What is the command line to create install disks from the NT 4.0 Server CD?
>
>Or the program on the disk to write a boot disk.
>
>David Payer
>
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Subject: Re: NT install disk from CD?
From: "Josh Hillman" <admin-maillist@talstar.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:04:14 -0400
> From: Rudy Komsic <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
> well why do that?
>
> why don't you just go into your BIOS and just set up your boot order to
boot
> from CD-ROM first?
> NT 4.0 and up boots from CD-ROM and therefore you do not need to make
> Installation Disks.
Actually, this isn't always the case. Two of our older HP NetServers have
bootable CDROM drives but if you leave the NT Server 4.0 CD in the drive
and turn it on or reset it, it'll boot up partially, then it'll say "Can't
find NTLDR". At that point, you have to boot up with bootable floppies, or
remove the CD (or of course, boot off the hard drive).
Also in some cases you have to use the disks to boot off of because of
specific installation setup requirements by some NetRaid adapters, etc.
Josh Hillman
hillman@talstar.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Payer <david.payer@ia-omni.com>
> To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
> Date: August 10, 1998 11:45 AM
> Subject: NT install disk from CD?
>
>
> >I checked the archives but couldn't find it.
> >
> >What is the command line to create install disks from the NT 4.0 Server
CD?
> >
> >Or the program on the disk to write a boot disk.
> >
> >David Payer
> >
>
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Subject: Re: Multiple upstreams
From: "Rudy Komsic" <rudyk@cyberglobe.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:22:04 -0400
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stuart Stevenson <stuart@tracent.com>
>>To: ntisp@iea-software.com <ntisp@iea-software.com>
>>Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 11:20 PM
>>Subject: Multiple upstreams
>>
>>
>>We're currently doing a little web hosting via a 128k ISDN and an Ascend
>>Pipe 50. We have a class C from PSI and have been humming along just fine.
>>Now we're starting to feel the pressure to add bandwidth and have struck a
>>deal with a neighbor to pull in a 10-Base-T cable from his 2 T1s.
>>
>>The plan is to use a Cisco router between our suite and theirs. We can get
>>another Class C from these guys, but we would also like to keep the PSI
>>connection as a backup.
>>
>>We've got a few questions on how to do all this:
>>
>>1) Is it possible (and reasonable) to have both connections active at the
>>same time?
If your talking about Load Balancing, yes it is possible but you got to make
sure you have the same "PIPES" in both connections.
>>
>>2) If so, can we do it and keep the PSI address block with routing via the
>>new upstream (which is connected to Verio) or get PSI route to our Verio
>>block?
Using BGP4 would be the safest way to go to configure this but DO NOT
CONFIGURE this yourself. If it is your first time doing BGP, contact both
providers to SHOW you how BGP Works and is implemented. If you screw up, you
can take out 25-75% of the North American Internet and Lots of Backbone
providers will be angry.
>>
>>3) If not, is it reasonable to setup two subnets (1 PSI block and 1 Verio
>>block) with each virtual server assigned an address in each subnet? I am
>>thinking if we do it this way, I could have our primary DNS on the Verio
>>subnet, pointing to Verio addresses, with our "secondary" setup as a
>primary
>>on the PSI subnet, with all it's A records pointing to the PSI block. I
>>know it's twice the work, but (to me anyway) it makes sense and would
>>provide complete connection redundancy.
For reduncancy purposes, you can do the following,
each machine will have 2 IPs and 2 Default gateways. One each from Verio
(Primary address) and other from PSI. In your DNS PTR records, make sure you
define both IP addresses the same name. For the A Records, Make the Primary
address first and the secondary address second. Know if your Verio link goes
down, the client from the Internet would first try the verio link, it sees it
is down so therefore then tries the second connection. Theoretically
speaking, the link should revert via PSI and if the first default route is
down or not reachable, it should try the second route.
Then again, it all depends on the Server software you use to see if it
supports multi routing.
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Subject: Re: NT install disk from CD?
From: "Dale E. Reed Jr." <daler@iea-software.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:23:05 -0700
David Payer wrote:
>
> I checked the archives but couldn't find it.
>
> What is the command line to create install disks from the NT 4.0 Server CD?
>
> Or the program on the disk to write a boot disk.