Rudy Komsic ( (no email) )
Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:40:46 -0500

Well Here in Canada, the Telco uses a multirelay system where the distance
matters from the clients house to the Clients CO, NOT to our Office. The
Telco will reroute the circuit via OC-48 to our CO and then the last strech
via Fibre to our Central xDSL Box here at our office. This way, we can
offer xDSL to longer lengths without creating "cell pockets".

Ask the Telco, Not the Manufacturers on how they will deploy xDSL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell B. Wagers <>
To: <>
Date: January 28, 1998 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: ADSL

>To make things short...both parties are right here, you CAN produce longer
>distances through signal modifiers at certain locations, but copies of
>copies are always less quality than the original.
>You have to look at the physical side of things...which, most importantly,
>is copper wire, not stranded copper wire. If you have stranded wire in
>your home or business, then you must have some enormous monetary resources.
> You also have to take into account the Fiber/Sonet side of things between
>differing Telco's and how effectively they implement Sonet rings, which,
>I'm sorry to say, is pitiful for the most part.
>I know this is less than informative, but I'm not about to hit low-level
>detail on a mailing list, it's just not the thing to do. But, this should
>make some of you look at what you are implementing! As I said before, ADSL
>will die out or at least fizzle to a close end.
>Mitch Wagers
>At 09:46 PM 1/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I just went to ComNet today and spoke with several manufacturers marketing
>>their ADSL solutions, and everyone without fail insisted that the distance
>>limitations were from the host equipment to the end user equipment. I
>>them each specifically if the distance was calculated from each site to
>>CO, with the distance between COs ignored and they said absolutely not!
>>They said that the circuit was like a dry loop circuit with the copper
>>going from point A to point B un-interrupted.
>>That's not what we have been hearing here in other posts, and I don't
>>to know myself, that's just was the boys in the suits are saying here in
>>The longest demonstration I saw today was 20K feet, and the connection was
>>under 128K in both directions. So if what they are saying is correct, and
>>you can't connect a customer 20 miles away (using the 5000ft to CO, and
>>8000ft to CO, with no penalty from CO to CO method) then I don't see how
>>ADSL is going to be a feasible solution outside of the densely populated
>>metropolitan areas. If it will work like that, and the sales boys don't
>>know what they're talking about (I know, I know) then we'd all better
>>looking for the solution we're going to implement!
>>Mike Davis
>>DCS Online
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael R. Conder <>
>>To: <>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:23 AM
>>Subject: Re: ADSL
>>>> A lot of news is out about ADSL. How do other ISPs feel about ADSL?
>>>> the small independent ISPs going to be able to play a part in ADSL?
>>>> ADSL and cable modems are the small ISPs going out of business and a
>>>> monopoly will emerge?
>>>> Comments welcomed....
>>>> Marvin Anglin
>>>> Atlanta On-Line InterNet, Inc.
>>>> 770-955-3000
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